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For your information, SunnyKing (on Bitcointalk.org) is the developer behind the code for PPCoin and very dilegently posts a weekly update discussion thread summarizing what has happened in the past week.  Here is a link to the original thread,

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=114994.0

and I have posted the updates in here to.

Keep up the great work SunnyKing :)
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Re: PPCoin weekly updates From the Developer behind PPC SunnyKing
« Reply #1 on: March 19, 2013, 01:31:42 pm »
Weekly Update would be published here starting with #7 due to popular request.

Previous weekly updates are here:
Weekly Update #6 (September 30, 2012) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=101820.msg1233906#msg1233906
Weekly Update #5 (September 23, 2012) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=101820.msg1215432#msg1215432
Weekly Update #4 (September 16, 2012) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=101820.msg1196648#msg1196648
Weekly Update #3 (September 9, 2012) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=101820.msg1174319#msg1174319
Weekly Update #2 (September 2, 2012) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=101820.msg1154847#msg1154847
Weekly Update #1 (August 26, 2012) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=101820.msg1134469#msg1134469
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Re: PPCoin weekly updates From the Developer behind PPC SunnyKing
« Reply #2 on: March 19, 2013, 01:32:26 pm »
October 07, 2012, 03:55:10 AM
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Weekly Update #7

This week the total network money supply surpassed 10 million coins at block 8186.
Work is under way for v0.3.0.
Proof-of-work difficulty appears to have bottomed at block 8409, with difficulty 8116. A fairly strong reversal pushed difficulty past 12000 today due to (maybe temporary) strength in exchange rate the last two days. Proof-of-stake difficulty dropped to around 6.
Andy has added a lot more charts besides the PPC:BTC price chart to his website. Nicely done and now I find myself checking the charts regularly. I like to look at the difficulty chart a lot, it resembles a beautiful mountain range. Looking forward to seeing higher and higher peaks as mining technology progresses.

Have fun and next week!
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Re: PPCoin weekly updates From the Developer behind PPC SunnyKing
« Reply #3 on: March 19, 2013, 01:32:54 pm »
October 14, 2012, 07:31:33 PM
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Weekly Update #8

SatoshiRoulette introduced PPC games this week, becoming the first (non-exchange) website that accepts ppcoin payments.
Andy Rossy has provided a raw transaction rpc patch for those who needs the patch to run a service.
This serves as a reminder that ppcoin is experimental software that I do not make any guarantee regarding its security. Users must evaluate risks on their own regarding the security of ppcoin and I can only say I will try to do my best to make it more secure.
Some miners like to jump between currencies to maximize their profit, this is normal. Often we see ppcoin proof-of-work difficulty oscillate a bit as miners switch and this is expected. My observation is that mining difficulty tends to follow exchange rate. This phenomenon is universal to other bitcoin forks as well, as we saw some chains had problems recovering from miner withdrawals due to long adjustment intervals. For ppcoin it appears to recover from miner withdrawal reasonably well due to the continuous adjustment design. This type of oscillation has less negative impact on ppcoin network for two reasons. First proof-of-stake block generation is independent of the proof-of-work difficulty. And secondly the proof-of-work mint rate design somewhat dampens the oscillation effect.

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Re: PPCoin weekly updates From the Developer behind PPC SunnyKing
« Reply #4 on: March 19, 2013, 01:33:31 pm »
October 21, 2012, 07:58:33 PM
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Week Update #9

ppcoin has passed block #10000 this week at 10:41:39 UTC on October 15, 2012
Proof-of-stake difficulty has dropped to 1. Last couple of days the frequency of proof-of-stake blocks has reduced compared to last two weeks. This is because 30 days ago the proof-of-stake blocks just started appearing so most coins eligible have already participated in block generation, causing a lack of eligible coins currently. The average size of stake generating blocks are expected to become smaller in the next couple months and proof-of-stake frequency will become more stable and start pushing up difficulty from it's minimum at 1.
Due to my heavy schedule around the end of the year, work on the client is slowed down. There will be a delay for the next release.
There was some complaints that bitcoin 0.7 rollout wasn't smooth. I don't know the details so if there is something to take note, welcome to message me about this topic. I would probably wait a while before reviewing bitcoin 0.7 and planning for a merge.

Have fun and next week!
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Re: PPCoin weekly updates From the Developer behind PPC SunnyKing
« Reply #5 on: March 19, 2013, 01:34:00 pm »
October 29, 2012, 05:19:17 AM
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Weekly Update #10

Proof-of-work difficulty temporarily peaked at 15732 at block #11509 this week following some buying strength on the Bitparking exchange.
There was some effort to figure out the memory leak encountered with mining pools. So far it appears to be an elusive bug.

Not much else to report on this week. So have fun and see ya all next week!
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Re: PPCoin weekly updates From the Developer behind PPC SunnyKing
« Reply #6 on: March 19, 2013, 01:37:26 pm »
November 05, 2012, 02:35:18 AM
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Weekly Update #11

Proof-of-work difficulty stabilized over 16000 this week.
Proof-of-stake blocks account for more than half of the blocks in the past several days. It is expected in the next month or two proof-of-stake blocks would reach the 10 minute spacing target and proof-of-stake difficulty should begin rising above the current minimum of 1.

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Re: PPCoin weekly updates From the Developer behind PPC SunnyKing
« Reply #7 on: March 19, 2013, 01:39:05 pm »
November 11, 2012, 06:41:41 PM
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Weekly Update #12

Proof-of-work difficulty surpassed 20000 this week and briefly approached all time high yesterday.
v0.2.2 release is under final testing and build. Improvements to the qt gui code have been done and qt can now properly display stake and coinstake transactions. However official build of gui would not be supported yet in this release. Gui users can either self-build or obtain community-released gui builds. v0.2.2 is expected to be ready some time next week.
Regarding network hash rate, since ppcoin is designed with variable spacing target for proof-of-work blocks, you cannot directly compare network hash rate to other block chains based on proof-of-work difficulty. To estimate network hash rate you would need to first get an estimate of current proof-of-work spacing target (in seconds), by counting the number of proof-of-work blocks in the last 24 hours for example. The formula to calculate the total network hash rate is: hash rate = difficulty * 4G / spacing target.

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Re: PPCoin weekly updates From the Developer behind PPC SunnyKing
« Reply #8 on: March 19, 2013, 01:39:46 pm »
November 19, 2012, 03:33:49 AM
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Weekly Update #13

Proof-of-work difficulty broke new high this week. The new peak is at block #14952 with difficulty 25020.
v0.2.2 has been released. This release has made some improvements to the qt gui for stake transactions. Although official gui builds are not yet supported, those users who build qt gui themselves should find the new version much more usable.
Vircurex has started ppcoin support this week, becoming the third ppc exchange.
Bitcoin mint-halving date is approaching soon (in about ten days). This event could cause high volatility in ppc (and other altcoin) exchanges. We strongly caution investors and traders to fully evaluate and limit their risk exposure.

Have fun and next week!
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Re: PPCoin weekly updates From the Developer behind PPC SunnyKing
« Reply #9 on: March 19, 2013, 01:40:40 pm »
November 25, 2012, 09:47:44 PM
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Weekly Update #14

Proof-of-work difficulty continued to drop this week, currently at over 16000.
Please be aware that in a few days bitcoin mint rate halves from 50 btc to 25 btc per block. This may cause high volatility in alt coins including ppcoin. So please limit risk exposure in the market accordingly.
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Re: PPCoin weekly updates From the Developer behind PPC SunnyKing
« Reply #10 on: March 19, 2013, 01:41:31 pm »
December 03, 2012, 04:32:26 AM
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Weekly Update #15

The mint rate halving of bitcoin at bitcoin's block #210000 caused ppcoin's proof-of-work difficulty to ramp up as some miners switched from bitcoin mining. This week's peak difficulty is a new record at 30677 at block #17333.
The exchange rate on bitparking seems to be fairly stable throughout the halving event when difficulty was rising fast.
I am happy to see more people discussing ppcoin designs on the forum. I hope more and more people gain deeper understanding of the design, which is important to the future of ppcoin and proof-of-stake designs in general.
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Re: PPCoin weekly updates From the Developer behind PPC SunnyKing
« Reply #11 on: March 19, 2013, 01:42:06 pm »
December 09, 2012, 10:27:56 PM
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Weekly Update #16

Proof-of-work difficulty continued to rise this week and is currently over 36000. Proof-of-stake difficulty is currently 1.28, gradually rising from the minimum difficulty of 1.
Christian (xchrix) is now running a new website cryptocoinsend.com, becoming the first payment processor supporting ppcoin.
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Re: PPCoin weekly updates From the Developer behind PPC SunnyKing
« Reply #12 on: March 19, 2013, 01:43:08 pm »
December 17, 2012, 05:02:37 PM
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Weekly Update #17

Proof-of-work difficulty reached a new record of 43120 at block 19080. Currently proof-of-work difficulty stays around 33000 and proof-of-stake difficulty is about 2.1.
Not much else to report on this week. Lots of people are probably busy preparing for the holidays. So relax and have some fun after a productive year!
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Re: PPCoin weekly updates From the Developer behind PPC SunnyKing
« Reply #13 on: March 19, 2013, 01:44:07 pm »
December 24, 2012, 04:24:20 AM
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Weekly Update #18

We have disclosed a stake generation vulnerability this week. A researcher made the disclosure announcement two days ago so I had to issue a disclosure statement on the same day. I would like to talk a bit about the controversial topic of responsible disclosure. Why is responsible disclosure important? Because the computer software industry has already tried everything and learned the hard lessons, so an etiquette of responsible disclosure has been adopted widely. Responsible disclosure does not mean cover-up. It means the researchers and developers work together and negotiate a disclosure schedule, allowing reasonable time for developers to implement fix and for users to patch their systems. The management of bitcoin merkle hash vulnerability has been a prime example of responsible disclosure. We try to hold ourselves to high technical and ethical standard since the beginning of ppcoin network, and we would appreciate independent researchers from the community do the same.
The impact of the vulnerability is described in https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=131940.0
The centrally broadcasted checkpoint is designed to help in this type of situations. So with the checkpoint protection the impact of the vulnerability is reasonably limited.
The vulnerability has been known to us for a while and I have spent quite some time to formulate an improved hash protocol. Proper review and implementation of the new protocol would take some time, and that's why I stress the importance of responsible disclosure as not all vulnerabilities can be fixed and patched in a day or two.
The schedule of implementing the new protocol is tentatively planned as following: week 1~2: implementation and review; week 3 - testing on testnet; week 4 - final testing, build and release; week 8 - client upgrade deadline and protocol switch. Yes the protocol change would be a hard fork and all clients are required to upgrade within 3-4 weeks after the release.

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Re: PPCoin weekly updates From the Developer behind PPC SunnyKing
« Reply #14 on: March 19, 2013, 01:45:07 pm »
December 31, 2012, 03:02:46 PM
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Weekly Update #19

Total money supply surpassed 15 million coins this week.
Release 0.3.0 with protocol upgrade is being implemented and is currently on schedule (to be released in about 3 weeks).
This week saw the debut of freicoin on the bitcointalk forum (actual release was the week before on Dec. 21st). I don't see the benefit of the concept of demurrage except for being more honest than the inflation tax, but alas, with even fellows at the Federal Reserve becoming fans (http://libertystreeteconomics.newyorkfed.org/2012/08/if-interest-rates-go-negative-or-be-careful-what-you-wish-for.html) we'd need to take notice. Welcome the new competition 

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Re: PPCoin weekly updates From the Developer behind PPC SunnyKing
« Reply #15 on: March 19, 2013, 01:45:44 pm »
January 07, 2013, 05:23:52 AM
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Weekly Update #20

Release 0.3 is about 80% code complete and the new code is under some preliminary testing right now. Given the current progress and to ensure the quality of the protocol upgrade we might extend the testing period by 1-2 weeks before final release. So that means the release would be around end of January.
Our seed nodes infrastructure recently experienced frequent outages. So for new nodes or nodes trying to redownload block chain you might experience connection issues. Running nodes shouldn't have these problems as those can always connect to other operational peers. I am trying to check the seed node status everyday so generally if you cannot connect as a new node just wait some time and it should be able to.

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Re: PPCoin weekly updates From the Developer behind PPC SunnyKing
« Reply #16 on: March 19, 2013, 01:46:19 pm »
January 15, 2013, 03:23:57 AM
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Weekly Update #21

Release 0.3 is now 90% code complete. First round of unit testing has been completed. Over this week testing on testnet is being prepared.
Over the next two weeks we plan to migrate the seed nodes. Short periods of down time (no connection) is possible for new nodes and nodes attempting a redownload of block chain. Existing nodes shouldn't be affected.
Due to exchange rate drop proof-of-work difficulty dropped below 30000. We remind investors and traders be fully aware of the experimental nature of the project and the volatility in market, and manage risks accordingly. With ASIC release looming the bitcoin difficulty is expected to rise quickly in the following months. Further volatility of exchange rate is expected due to this.

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Re: PPCoin weekly updates From the Developer behind PPC SunnyKing
« Reply #17 on: March 19, 2013, 01:46:48 pm »
January 21, 2013, 06:36:18 AM
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Weekly Update #22

Testing continued with 0.3 protocol and revealed some bugs with the new code. I expect testnet testing on protocol switch to be initiated some time this week, when the core code is considered reasonably stabilized.
The 0.3 protocol upgrade involves changing the way hash is computed to generate stake transactions (known as coinstake). The transition for users should have minimal impact as there is no effect on existing wallet balance, transactions and minting related protocols of the network. The new protocol replaces the current proof-of-stake difficulty in the role of stake modifier inside the proof-of-stake hashing computation (not to be confused with proof-of-work hashing, which remains unchanged). The stake modifier is a part of the hash inputs to scramble the computation so nodes cannot compute the future stake from a coin when the coin is first confirmed into block chain. The new protocol generates the stake modifier from roughly 10 days of future blocks from when the coin is first confirmed into block chain. This should reasonably resolve all currently known vulnerabilities regarding stake generation.
Due to the technical nature of implementing and switching a core part of the protocol, we feel it's prudent to thoroughly test it before 0.3 release, lest critical bugs hitting block chain. Meanwhile, I am also contemplating releasing an unpolished gui build with 0.3 release, to help current gui wallet users with the upgrade. The final 0.3 release date would likely be determined in the next two weeks depending on the progress of testnet testing.

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Re: PPCoin weekly updates From the Developer behind PPC SunnyKing
« Reply #18 on: March 19, 2013, 01:47:17 pm »
January 28, 2013, 08:10:29 AM
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Weekly Update #23

0.3 protocol is code complete. Testing continues on the release and I have just started testing with testnet protocol switch.
The hosting provider for our seed nodes infrastructure is undergoing some migration pain and the recent support has been less than stellar. I would need to look for alternative providers next week (preferrably accepting bitcoin, recommendations are welcome). Meanwhile some downtime is expected over next few weeks, for new nodes and nodes redownloading the block chain. Existing running nodes shouldn't be affected.
If I manage to still have some extra time I might start looking into qt build for the release.

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Re: PPCoin weekly updates From the Developer behind PPC SunnyKing
« Reply #19 on: March 19, 2013, 01:47:54 pm »
February 04, 2013, 03:21:56 AM
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Weekly Update #24

The seed nodes have been successfully migrated this week. The new servers have been running smoothly the last couple days. Also thanks for Andy and xchrix for volunteering their nodes. Hopefully the seed nodes would now have better availability for block chain download.
Testnet has been successfully switched to the new v0.3 protocol. The new code looks to have stabilized and I will continue testing on test network this week. I will also test building qt client in our official build for possible inclusion in the 0.3 release.
The official build of ppcoin adopts bitcoin's verifiable build system (gitian-builder). This system allows developers to verify the integrity of the final release binaries. In theory users can verify the build too by following the same build procedures but currently the process is quite involved. This is part of the reasons why we haven't supported qt in release build yet. We believe that delivering trustable executable files is very important to our users.
The first ASIC miner has been delivered on the market. Another milestone in the young history of bitcoin and cryptocurrency. Congratulations!

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Re: PPCoin weekly updates From the Developer behind PPC SunnyKing
« Reply #20 on: March 19, 2013, 01:48:25 pm »
February 11, 2013, 08:42:06 AM
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Weekly Update #25

Testing of 0.3 release continues on testnet. System has stabilized and no significant issues have been found this week.
Windows Qt build testing is successful this week, and works have been done so it is now confirmed that Qt begins support in 0.3 release.
Current plan is to have a final week of testing. Barring further issues, v0.3 will be released afterwards.

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Re: PPCoin weekly updates From the Developer behind PPC SunnyKing
« Reply #21 on: March 19, 2013, 01:49:02 pm »
February 18, 2013, 05:19:07 AM
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Weekly Update #26

v0.3 release is under final validation and release builds are being prepared.
Qt UI begins support in v0.3.
Release is expected to be published in the next few days. This is a mandatory upgrade release and deadline for upgrade is scheduled for March 20th.
This week the first ppcoin fork known as novacoin has been released. The network hash rate of novacoin rose quickly, it's difficulty peaked over 10. Despite the controversy surrounding its release and the subsequent DDoS attack on btc-e, market response seems quite enthusiastic. Please note I am not involved in novacoin in any way, but I am happy to see other developers valuing ppcoin design and forking from it.
Recently we have also seen another project known as ripple released, with its own currency called 'Ripple' or XRP. The design of XRP also attempts to eliminate energy consumption to secure a cryptocurrency, however the design choices are very different, with different properties regarding  the level of decentralization. Even though I am yet to be convinced that the technicals are sound I will keep an eye on this interesting new development.

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Re: PPCoin weekly updates From the Developer behind PPC SunnyKing
« Reply #22 on: March 19, 2013, 01:49:34 pm »
February 23, 2013, 10:23:41 PM
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Weekly Update #27

v0.3.0 has been released. Upgrade should be performed before protocol switch on March 20th. A block chain re-download is necessary for the upgrade. See the 0.3 release thread for detailed instruction: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=144964.0
v0.3 protocol involves several changes, first the proof-of-stake hash modifier is switched to one computed from roughly 9 days worth of blocks. The blocks are grouped and 64 blocks are selected based on a 'selection hash'. Then each selected block contributes one bit to the modifier. The purpose of stake modifier is to prevent stake owner from manipulating future stake generation at the time the coin is confirmed into block chain.
Two other protocol changes are made: stake hash weight now starts from 0 at 30-day minimum age requirement; coinstake timestamp now must match block timestamp.
Overall I think the 0.3 protocol should fix the known vulnerability of stake generation and make proof-of-stake protection much stronger.
Qt UI is now available in official build and supported from v0.3.0 on. User who prefers UI would enjoy the release I think, and I did give you a good treat by making the splash artwork myself and hope you all like it
v0.4 designs should start in the next couple weeks, while I continue to monitor the network for the switch in March.
My current 0.4 plan is to begin supporting database usage in limited fashion. 0.4 should allow user to create something known as identity, with names associated with it. An RPC command 'sendtoidentity' would allow users to send ppcoins to names instead of addresses. This feature is present in namecoin. But I probably would redesign the database usage for ppcoin and it's going to be a bit different from how namecoin does things.
A good couple months for me I am relieved that 0.3 is finally done. And I also enjoy watching all the new projects going on like ripple and novacoin.

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Re: PPCoin weekly updates From the Developer behind PPC SunnyKing
« Reply #23 on: March 19, 2013, 01:50:03 pm »
March 03, 2013, 10:53:23 PM
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Weekly Update #28

After I motioned for a market cap ranking list dust did an excellent job of including this information into his mining profitability comparison portal: http://dustcoin.com/
So far ppcoin has been in a close match with devcoin, in terms of market cap. I observe that people have put a lot of faith into scrypt mining, which I believe to be the main reason of high valuation of litecoin and novacoin. Of course all the altcoins are now dwarfed by ripple, which made a splash debut with an initial giveaway on bitcointalk altcoin subforum. Ripple team has done a lot of work on real features, while taking on a lot of risks. I will continue to closely watch the market development of all the competitions.
Network has been running smoothly so far during the transition period to 0.3 protocol. Please remember to upgrade your client to v0.3.0 before the protocol switch scheduled for March 20th.
Official faucet is now under development. Stay tuned on its progress.

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Re: PPCoin weekly updates From the Developer behind PPC SunnyKing
« Reply #24 on: March 19, 2013, 01:50:36 pm »
Weekly Update #29

Faucet is now operational on ppcoin.org
I have also created a bitaddress page compatible with ppcoin 0.3.0 address/private key format. It is currently open for public testing at http://ppcoin.org/bitaddress
Please remember to upgrade to v0.3.0 before protocol switch on March 20th.

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Re: PPCoin weekly updates From the Developer behind PPC SunnyKing
« Reply #25 on: March 19, 2013, 01:51:21 pm »
March 18, 2013, 05:48:02 AM
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Weekly Update #30

The week saw significant market activity in altcoins. Investors should use caution in a volatile market.
I am happy that more users are gaining interest in ppcoin and other altcoins, although this is presumably due to bitcoin's recent issues. I will continue to watch bitcoin's v0.8.1 release and follow up on the large block fork issue. To be fair, I think Bitcoin developers once again handled the situation reasonably well.
I have received invitation from Bitcoin Foundation to join a panel on altcoin during the California Conference in May. If anyone is going to the conference and interested in presenting ppcoin please let me know.
Another reminder that v0.3 protocol switch is scheduled for March 20th and please upgrade your client if you haven't yet done so. I will be watching the switch on Wednesday closely.

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Re: PPCoin weekly updates From the Developer behind PPC SunnyKing
« Reply #26 on: April 27, 2013, 02:02:16 am »
March 18, 2013, 05:48:02 AM
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Weekly Update #30


I have received invitation from Bitcoin Foundation to join a panel on altcoin during the California Conference in May. If anyone is going to the conference and interested in presenting ppcoin please let me know.


interesting
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Re: PPCoin weekly updates From the Developer behind PPC SunnyKing
« Reply #27 on: May 27, 2013, 04:28:36 pm »
has PPC made it to the conference ?

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Re: PPCoin weekly updates From the Developer behind PPC SunnyKing
« Reply #28 on: June 03, 2013, 12:33:56 pm »
This thread is far away from its initial purpose. Please:

unsticky it and change title to include DEPRECATED
make new sticky thread that doesn't allow common users to reply.
convine sunny to post his weekly updates here and favourably only here

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Re: PPCoin weekly updates From the Developer behind PPC SunnyKing
« Reply #29 on: June 03, 2013, 12:41:29 pm »
This thread is far away from its initial purpose. Please:

unsticky it and change title to include DEPRECATED
make new sticky thread that doesn't allow common users to reply.
convine sunny to post his weekly updates here and favourably only here
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Re: PPCoin weekly updates From the Developer behind PPC SunnyKing
« Reply #30 on: August 13, 2013, 05:21:24 am »
Thank you for posting all this good information fron SunnyKing. I'm interested to hear what he has to say and finding out more about his work.

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Re: PPCoin weekly updates From the Developer behind PPC SunnyKing
« Reply #31 on: September 22, 2013, 07:03:12 am »
Would it be possible to transfer this posts from Bitcointalk to here automatically with a bot?

I know that with several CMS such a bot is easy to realize (with the api) but I don't know this forum software.
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